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If AEG Still Owned D.C. United

Kevin Payne and Dave Kasper continue to insist that last week's coaching change from Curt Onalfo to Ben Olsen wasn’t about assessing blame. Maybe they don’t want to assess blame in comments to the media, but there’s nothing to stop us from doing it on a fan blog!

Obviously there’s plenty of blame to go around when your team has a 3-13-3 record. The players haven’t played to their abilities, the right players haven’t been acquired, the right tactics and lineups haven’t been used, and the right front office personnel have not been identified.

Yes, it would be fair to push some of the blame onto Ownership.

Denz from RSL Soapbox made a comment in our Olsen/Onalfo reaction story indicating that D.C. United has been in decline since the team was sold by AEG to Will Chang and Victor MacFarlane. At first, I was ready to argue and assess his comment as being off target. Afterall, we did win a Supporters’ Shield in 2007, Chang’s first season with the team. But then I got to thinking.

Is this so crazy a thought?

Some quick background if you’re new to following the team: D.C. United and several other clubs were owned by Anschutz Entertainment Group early in the league’s history. In fact, AEG was instrumental in founding MLS to begin with. As the league expanded and began to increase its revenue base, they issued direction that no ownership group should be in control of more than one team. Which makes a lot of sense. So AEG sold United to Chang and V-Mac, keeping full ownership rights of only the Los Angeles Galaxy.

What would D.C. United look like today if the team was still owned by Anschutz Entertainment Group?

Star-divide

1. D.C. United would definitely have a marquee name designated player. I’m thinking maybe Raul. He had expressed interest in coming to MLS, but reportedly wanted only a two-year contract when the league wanted to lock him up for at least three. Another option would be Ronaldinho, who has been strongly rumored to be heading to L.A. next season.

2. D.C. United would have a marquee head coach. Just like the Galaxy brought in Bruce Arena to rescue the franchise, United would have a savior of their own. Hell, they might have been the ones to bring back the Bruce. They definitely wouldn't have hired a two-and-a-half-year failure in Curt Onalfo. If AEG had targeted Caleb Porter, he wouldn't have gotten away. At least not without having turned down a multi-million dollar contract.

3. D.C. United would be an active participant in MLS 3.0. Defined as the new era of multiple DPs, rapid expansion, and "SuperClubs," MLS 3.0 is upon us. It's hard to imagine any team owned by AEG not being one of the top spenders. The rich will separate from the poor, but only in terms of spending, not necessarily in terms of wins.

4. D.C. United would not have any more trophies. United has won a Supporters' Shield and an Open cup under Chang's management. That's an average of 0.67 trophies per season - not too shabby. How many trophies has L.A. won in that time period? Uh, they were runners-up a couple times...

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“1. D.C. United would definitely have a marquee name designated player.”
“3. D.C. United would be an active participant in MLS 3.0. "

YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!

As soon as AEG realized that the government of DC wouldn’t help them build a new stadium they would have been out of there in a second just like San Jose. Step 1) Appoint Alexi Lalas to be GM to do a hatchet job on the team. Step 2) have him get rid of your best player for peanuts. Step 3) Have him ban supporters groups [screaming eagles, etc]. Step 4) when attendance declines as a result, move the team to another city and blame it on the fans.

I seriously LOL’d at this post.

AEG had zero interest in the DC market and if they had not been able to sell United off to Chang et al then they would have moved the team asap.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 9, 2025 9:48 PM EDT reply actions  

johnjajafanclub

I think you missed the point of the story. And that’s partially my fault. The point was to wonder if United would really be better off on the field if an aggressive spending group like AEG was in charge. All this discussion about AEG history and corporate governance wasn’t really what I had in mind.

Afterall, it would have been a pretty boring story if it had looked like this:

What if AEG hadn’t sold D.C. United to VM/WC?
1. They would have sold the team to someone else.
The end.

Managing Editor for BlackAndRedUnited.com. Weekend Writer for SBNation DC.

by Martin Shatzer on Aug 10, 2025 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Aggressive Spending Group" Mischaracterizes AEG

AEG only spent aggressively on LA and NY. They lost a TON of cash investing in those markets. Their losses in the San Jose years are minute by comparison but they used those minute losses to justify moving the team. They would have done the same thing with DC if they couldn’t find a buyer. They were not willing to invest in DC or spend money there.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 10, 2025 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shades of grey

AEG’s end goal has always been to own the Galaxy and only the Galaxy. So, if it hadn’t sold DC to MacFarlane/Chang/Blue Devil Holdings/Payne, they would have found another buyer in the same time period. AEG’s ownership of multiple clubs was a sacrifice made during desperate times, and it only lasted as long as necessary.

On the other hand, johnjahafanclub is a Quakes fan, and his opinion of AEG is rooted in what happened to the Quakes. The idea that AEG would repeat what they did in San Jose seems pretty silly to me, since AEG would have had to roll Kevin Payne over to do so. Whatever you think of Payne at this point, he has a lot of sway in MLS and US Soccer, while the Quakes had no one of remotely similar standing attached to their organization. I don’t think Payne stays involved with MLS if AEG pushes him aside in DC in order to dismantle a club that he built from the ground up. I also don’t think AEG is in the business of costing their investment a valuable and accomplished person (no disrespect to San Jose, but that wasn’t an organization brimming over with talent in the front office).

I think the issue’s a non-starter because AEG would have sold United to someone else if MacFarlane never came along. What might be worth pondering would be if AEG had found an investor who could have dealt more adroitly with DC politics during the move for a Poplar Point stadium. I know we blame Fenty for Poplar Point being a disaster, but surely more could have been done to make it worth his while. We’re talking about a guy who makes sweetheart deals on a daily basis, diverts public funds to get heating for the pool he swims in, and unabashedly sent his kids to the schools he wanted them to go to without going through the same process other District parents have to.

by ChestRockwell on Aug 9, 2025 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

AEG Would Have Steamrolled Payne

“The idea that AEG would repeat what they did in San Jose seems pretty silly to me, since AEG would have had to roll Kevin Payne over to do so.”

We actually did have front office talent… our GM’s name was Johnny Moore but he was forced out for not cooperating with AEG’s orders to dismantle the team. He knew what AEG was up to and wouldn’t go along with their plans. So AEG got rid of him and brought in Lalas, he did their dirty work and was then rewarded with the GMship of LA Galaxy.

If AEG never found a buyer and wanted to leave DC they would have done so in a heartbeat, with or without Kevin Payne.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 10, 2025 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree, I guess

If Moore was such a great GM, why has his name never resurfaced when other clubs are looking for a new person at that position? Where was he when Chivas, RSL, and Toronto all had disastrous seasons to start their existence?

I also see Lalas differently. I think he was too bumbling to be AEG’s hatchet man. Ultimately, I see the move to Houston as involving a lot more disinterest rather than a series of well-executed, cruel plans.

I think the San Jose situation and the DC situation were very, very different, and I don’t think AEG (or any successful large corporation) goes around with a single plan to deal with any problems. I’m not 100% certain that they’d show Payne more respect, but I find the idea more likely than them tossing aside someone they had trusted to run the club for them up to the purchase.

by ChestRockwell on Aug 10, 2025 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lalas

Was a willing hatchet man. Everything he did was with malice and intent.

Look on the BS boards from 2005… even DC fans felt the same about AEG:

“when i hear AEG, my blood boils

when i hear about DCU and AEG, my blood boils big time, Kevin Payne has done so much for our team, and AEG simply takes the ****** credit cuz they’re the i/o, thank god KP and co bought the team"

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=272975&page=3

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 10, 2025 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely right

After DC United’s initial ownership group folded, after the first(?) season, AEG stepped in to buy the team because they wanted to prop up the league and realized that DC is one of the better markets for soccer fans in the US.

To my recollection, they were trying to sell the team ever since then. They would have sold to anyone who was a respectable fit with the league. I have my doubts that anyone else would have stepped up though.

Shatz should have mentioned the stadium issue in the article. Certainly nothing would be different, but it should have at least been a bullet point.

by BrunoReturns on Aug 10, 2025 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stadium

I intended this story to be focused on on-field developments - i.e. Would United be a better team with AEG as their owners.

But I can see from the comments that stadium talk is still the hottest issue concerning this team. Noted.

Managing Editor for BlackAndRedUnited.com. Weekend Writer for SBNation DC.

by Martin Shatzer on Aug 10, 2025 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

AEG has not treated Houston like an MLS 3.0 side

Which is a shame. Because Houston may have been the class of MLS 2.0, as yours were the class of MLS 1.0

I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart

by Dave Clark on Aug 9, 2025 11:38 PM EDT reply actions  

They let Houston pick a DP

They just chose a very crappy one who was only after a check. AEG is also only a partial owner in Houston and the reality is that until the end of last year, they were treated well by the organization. The mistakes of letting Stuart Holden, Ricardo Clark, and Dwayne De Rosario go is what has taken the two time MLS champions and made them a team most people consider out of the playoff race and it is just the first week of August. Yes injuries have hurt them, but it is clear that the last 12 months haven’t been good for the Dynamo.

Those who say AEG would have tried to sell the club anyhow might have a point, but the reality is that there up to this year there were only two Marquee names in MLS, DC United and Los Angeles Galaxy. You could make a case for San Jose/Houston, but the reality is that their brand really is only known to real MLS fans, who realize that they are the real San Jose Earthquakes with their history.

I do think there would have had to be decision on a stadium, and clearly I think it would have happened had AEG stayed the sole owner of DC, but we will never know. I do believe that DC United would be better off with AEG in charge because they likely wouldn’t have made a change in just the coach, they would likely have thanked Kevin for his years of service and shown him the door. That is just my opinion as an outsider, It seems far too often in the last 3 years that Mr. Payne has found too many other people to blame for the condition of the team. I don’t believe that with their current leadership that DC United will find the return to glory anytime soon.

Again, just my opinion. I know that type of change is hard for a team with a long history, but it was a full clean house that was needed for RSL, it was getting 3 guys who may not always agree but who are committed to making the team a top team in MLS. Once they all were on board, it took 2 years for the full impact of the change to be felt.

by denz on Aug 9, 2025 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Houston is just a victim of being in MLS

DC was the home of the original MLS victim of success, so I know the pattern well. At a certain point, your stars require too many raises to fit under the cap. Your promising younger players draw interest from abroad. Inevitably, holding the group together becomes impossible, and rather than managing a strong group you’re back to putting the pieces together.

If Houston forces those players to stay, they a) are more likely to be shadows of themselves because they’re unhappy (see several Revs players, as well as Kljestan after his Celtic move fell through last year) and b) leave for free at the first opportunity. That strategy has long-term consequences, too: Don’t think for a second that MLS players aren’t fully aware of how playing for someone like New England impacts their future. If you draw foreign interest, you will almost certainly lose a season or two of high earning potential and all the professional interest (prestige, bigger challenge, etc) that go with it because you’re playing for an MLS team that doesn’t realize their place in the world soccer food chain.

I see your point about AEG being more willing to make changes, but they had a very close relationship with Payne when they were the owner here. I think they would have fired Kasper sometime last year, and probably done a better job on the coaching search once Soehn departed, but I think Payne would have stayed on.

You’re right that we need a change higher up the chain than at coach, but I think Payne can be part of a successful president/GM/coach combination. I’m not saying he must stay, but I feel like our biggest weak spot is at GM. Talent scouting and acquisition are the big problems, and Payne isn’t the one jetting off to Argentina to watch scrimmages and training sessions. That’s Kasper’s deal, and that’s where things have gone wrong.

by ChestRockwell on Aug 10, 2025 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

AT LEast Kasper

Didn’t waste DP cash on Luis Landin like Houston did.

That was a pretty epic fail.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 10, 2025 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gallardo, Emilio

Gallardo cost United something like $800K in salary, and he was also a part we absolutely needed to work to be a functioning unit. Yes, he was better than Landin, but better by the amount of money lost? No.

One of the biggest mistakes at the club in the past few years was signing Gallardo in a panic after Veron decided to go home to Estudiantes instead of signing with us. Yes, it was heartbreaking to come so close to the DP you really wanted, but you don’t just sign the next one you see. It’s like buying a house. If you get outbid on the perfect house, you don’t sign a contract on the next one your realtor takes you to (especially if it’s clearly showing its age, like Gallardo was). United should have had the good sense to pull back after the Veron signing fell through and spread that cap room around. Instead, we went all in with a middling hand and are still taking a beating from it.

We also had Emilio as a DP, despite the fact that even at his best he was simply a mercenary goal poacher that didn’t add enough to the team to justify the massive salary. Once he got the big deal, his main source of motivation was gone, and it showed on the field. He wasn’t a disaster, but giving him that DP deal was certainly a mistake.

Landin was a cheap DP. He was almost entirely useless, true, but Houston could still be a good team with him riding the bench, and they weren’t killing themselves financially to keep him.

by ChestRockwell on Aug 10, 2025 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Landin Wasn't Cheap

His salary was low but they spent DP cash on the transfer fee to acquire him.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 10, 2025 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

RSL Got Lucky with the Clean House

“Again, just my opinion. I know that type of change is hard for a team with a long history, but it was a full clean house that was needed for RSL”

RSL got lucky… they were a .500 club that got hot in the playoffs and got lucky that the best American soccer player in history missed his PK.

Cleaning house means nuking everything and starting over. Does DC need that? They already just fired their coach and brought in Olsen, a former DC hero with zero coaching experience. We’ve seen the former hero-as-coach fail in numerous examples… see Alan Shearer at Newcastle 2 seasons ago or Gianfranco Zola at West Ham last season. So if that’s what “cleaning house” means then I’m not sure it’s going to work well for DC. They have a couple solid pieces including Najar, nuking the program by firing everyone might destabilize the progress they could make by building a team around Najar.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 10, 2025 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

hero as coach

Kreis at RSL seems to be doing pretty well… Would like to see Benny do the same

by Irrlicht on Aug 10, 2025 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

It took Kreis a while to get his sea legs

RSL missed the playoffs his first year, barely made the playoffs his second year on a last minute goal by Mosivayan against Colorado in their last regular season game, and then they got lucky and barely made the playoffs his third season as the 8th overall seed again and just got hot in the playoffs. Sure DC would love it if Olsen could pull that off but it’s not like Kreis engineered some instant turnaround.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 10, 2025 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

RSL didn't 'get lucky' last year

Unless you mean that anyone in that tightly-packed season with no dominant teams would have been ‘lucky’ to win. Last year, RSL’s GD was +8. The best in the league was only +10.

It’s the hip thing to say that RSL got ‘lucky’ because it looks like a free shot at criticizing the league without actually having to have watched most of their games. But it would be unfair to the team.

It would be closer to say that RSL was a very good team that got a bit UNlucky in the early part of the season—they were the kind of team that would dominate 89 minutes of play and give away a result on a boneheaded play. (Even the year before, they dominated the run of play against Colorado, and then they did it against New York but lost.)

They happened to put it together late, but it was there to be put together all along. Their current GD is +18, which is tied for first, and the record in their last ~30 competitive games has been dominant.

'Gentlemen' he said,
'I don't need your organization,
I've shined your shoes,
moved your mountains and marked your cards,
but Eden is burning.
Either get ready for elimination,
or else your heart must have the courage,
for the changing of the guards.'

by Sgc on Aug 10, 2025 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goal Differential

If you want to go by goal differential, they were 4th best in the league. Even still, the table doesn’t lie. RSL would blow teams out like 6-0 vs. New England and then lose a bunch of 2-1 games. All you have convinced me of is that RSL were inconsistent from game to game and then they got hot in the playoffs. They had 11 wins and 12 losses - that is a mediocre team sneaking into the playoffs with the 8 seed.

And don’t tell me RSL didn’t get lucky with LD’s missed pk. He makes 91% of his pk’s - highest career average in MLS history: http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704204304574545992823111008.html

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 10, 2025 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luck?

If you want to look strictly at Donovan’s miss, then that one little instance of luck did certainly help them win the Cup. But it was much more than just luck to get them into the championship game and into overtime. I still don’t think “got lucky” is the right way to characterize RSL. They got hot at the right time. There are teams in every sport that win championships by getting hot at the right time.

The fact that they are the first or second best team in MLS right now tells me that the 2009 playoffs weren’t just a fluke.

Managing Editor for BlackAndRedUnited.com. Weekend Writer for SBNation DC.

by Martin Shatzer on Aug 10, 2025 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

LA v RSL

RSL outplayed LA over the 120 minutes. Sure it’s ‘lucky’ that Donovan missed a PK, but LA was lucky to be in PKs at all, as RSL absolutely owned the OT. And that was with Morales having gotten hurt early.

'Gentlemen' he said,
'I don't need your organization,
I've shined your shoes,
moved your mountains and marked your cards,
but Eden is burning.
Either get ready for elimination,
or else your heart must have the courage,
for the changing of the guards.'

by Sgc on Aug 11, 2025 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shots on Goal

LA: 3
RSL: 4

Even if you have more possession, if you don’t do anything dangerous with the ball you can’t really say you outplayed the other team.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 11, 2025 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

RSL Lucky?

In MLS the key is getting to the playoffs, and the reality is that in 2008 we did what was needed to get into the playoffs, they got the draw they needed in Colorado and then beat Chivas, and were 4 shots off the posts away from the MLS Cup against Columbus. Last year they won the matches they needed to win, and other teams failed to do so, you can call that lucky, but I call it doing what you can and then taking full advantage of the opportunity.

If you watched MLS Cup, you know that everything was set and staged for LA to win but RSL refused to give up, RSL lost a player due to injury early, lost another at the half with food poisoning and still they battled on. There is no lucky there, LA controlled the first 30 minutes of the match, there is no doubt of that, but then it was clearly RSL in control. Landon missed his PK in part because he was overthinking it, and that was directly caused by Rimando’s saves both against Chicago and LA.

This year without adding a ton of payroll RSL has simply strung together one of the best seasons a team could have, after a rough first 6 matches, they have lost just a single match in the last 3 months. What Jason, Garth and Bill Manning have done that is the difference is that they have established a common mentality that “the team is the star”, and that came through in MLS Cup when Morales went down, Mathis stepped up. This year when Grabavoy went down, Williams stepped up, when Beckerman went down, Grabavoy stepped up, when Findley went to SA, Espindola and Saborio stepped up.

It is the way you can build a solid organization, now RSL had a lot less baggage to tear down. DC United has a lot of baggage, it comes with 15 years of history, and it comes with the expectations of the dedicated fans, my point is that if you look back at when the way DC used to be, to how they are now the downward spiral really picked up steam after AEG sold the club, and yes guys like Kevin Payne have done a lot for the organization but he also has burnt a number of bridges that hurt the team. He clearly has an agenda, the question is does his agenda match what the fans want and what the team needs.?

by denz on Aug 11, 2025 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I loved RSL's Run

I was rooting for RSL the whole way. It’s a classy well run organization. You are right.

That being said, yes it was luck. The playoffs are all about luck. That’s what tournaments are all about. That’s what we like about them. The George Masons. The 8 seed Warriors, who made the playoffs on the last day of the season, knocking off the 1 seed Mavericks in the first round in 2007. The Patriot’s miracle run in the 2002 NFL playoffs. The 2006 St. Louis Cardinals (worst regular season record of any world series champion). This is what we love about sports in America and it’s what European soccer leagues lack (aside from the Champions league and League Cups). There’s no shame in admitting that RSL got hot in the playoffs.

Read the books Moneyball and Soccernomics and you will understand. Statistically playoffs are all about luck. “The playoffs are a crapshoot” - Billy Beane.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 11, 2025 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

re: 2008

“were 4 shots off the posts away from the MLS Cup against Columbus.”

And you were 1 goal away from missing the playoffs entirely. If you were really that good it shouldn’t have come down to one goal on the last day of the season.

Win or lose, we will always be here for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Aug 11, 2025 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

As to the main topic

AEG spends based on how much potential the market seems to have. SJ’s looked fairly weak, LA’s strong, and Hou/DC in the middle.

'Gentlemen' he said,
'I don't need your organization,
I've shined your shoes,
moved your mountains and marked your cards,
but Eden is burning.
Either get ready for elimination,
or else your heart must have the courage,
for the changing of the guards.'

by Sgc on Aug 10, 2025 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting that today

AEG sent Houston shopping

It will be interesting to see where they go, maybe they can find a way to get Stuart Holden, I hear that kid has some real talent and could even play for his national team.

by denz on Aug 24, 2025 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

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