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D.C. United Moving To Baltimore Inches Closer To Reality

Decisions like this one happen in the business world everyday. If a project is over budget and continues to lose money, there is going to come a time when the company cuts its losses and redirects its funds elsewhere. That may just be what DC United ultimately decides to do. They might cut their losses in D.C. They might move to Baltimore.

Decisions like this one happen in the sports world all the time too. It couldn't have been an easy conversation for Kevin Payne to have with Jaime Moreno towards the end of last season when the Team President told the Team's Greatest Player Ever that he would prefer that Moreno retire. It won't be an easy conversation for Payne to have with United's fan base either if the current direction continues.

I don't want to read too much into the news of the day, which may just be more political posturing (although Payne specifically says that he's not bluffing). According to Steven Goff of the Washington Post, MLS has begun surveying residents of Baltimore regarding their interest in supporting a local MLS team.

How should we feel about this? Well on one hand, its just a business decision. The United organization has to do what's best for itself at some point eventually, right? On the other hand, this decision can't be made without involving emotion. Its impossible.

You know that project that's over budget? The one where it would make good business sense to cut it? What if the CEO of the company is the one who founded it? What if this project is his true passion, and he's poured his soul into this project for the last 17 years? Not so easy a decision now.

Listen. I've lived in Maryland my whole life. I've supported United for its entire life. I will still support that team if its moves to Baltimore, but I know plenty of you feel differently. We'd all love to see our boys stay in D.C. But it may be time to start thinking about what we'll do if they don't.

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Southern MD native, yeah, I’ll support United in Baltimore, but im not happy about it.

by DonCaps819 on Nov 1, 2011 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I guess I’d still consider myself a United fan if they moved, but I’d be pretty furious. And I wouldn’t drive an hour for any games or go out of my way to watch any on TV.

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by Jake Shapiro on Nov 1, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure but...

Most likely would not follow MLS at all. After our (dcu) season ended,i have watched all of mls playoffs games … Dreaming what it would be like for us to be there.NO I WOULD NOT SUPPORT BALTIMORE …DC UNITED since 1996 TILL I DIE!!!!!!

by Malva85 on Nov 1, 2011 11:35 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Done

If they move to Baltimore, I’m out. Not just “I won’t go to the games”… they’ll be dead to me, and so will MLS until and unless I should move somewhere where a different team is on offer.

In this, MLS plays a more dangerous game when it moves a team, compared to other American sports leagues. There are a huge number of options available to follow European teams and see better football while doing so. MLS holds my interest because it is local. When it stops being local, it stops mattering.

by Stunned Duck on Nov 1, 2011 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Nope

With a drive of two hours just to reach Vienna, Baltimore is out of my reach for more than one game a year. Further if the league has any self-respect they will recognize that the long term prosperity of the league requires fidelity to fans and allowing tradition to be an integral part of the league. Baltimore United will not have won any MLS cups, or Supporters Shields, or frankly any trophies at all. It will never have had players like Jaime Moreno or Ben Olsen or Marco Etcheverry on its roster. It will be marketed as a continuation of DCU and in many of its aspects it will be (current players, FO, etc), but it cannot claim my passionate support, because will NOT be the club that I’ve supported through the crap and the glory.

by Karlito Vargas on Nov 1, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Agree

Through the crap and glory for 16 years and now mls wants to fucking slap all DC United fans in the face. DC United is a PASSION FOR US seems like for mls its a business ,soccer is a passion. MLS take ur business, was excited for the growth of league but for me it will end when we loose DC UNITED.

by Malva85 on Nov 2, 2011 1:55 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

I’d love to be able to say I would support United in Baltimore, but I really can’t imagine feeling a degree of connection with the franchise that would have my support follow them.

As far as I can tell, that’s been the case across the board in this country with moves like this. The local fans don’t stick with the new team, they keep demanding [sport] in [city] indefinitely or until a new team pops up. In leagues that comprise more teams and reign supreme in their sport, the fans of a former team may well stick with the league for their second- or third-choice teams and love for the sport, but there’s no way the MLS can count on that.

The average American soccer fan isn’t beholden to the MLS to such an extent that they would be expected to keep propping it up after being betrayed by short-sighted executives. Bad, bad decision.

by Shane Wensel on Nov 2, 2011 12:05 AM EDT reply actions  

If I were Don Garber, I would be making hundreds of phone calls a day to investors who could help fund a stadium in the DC area somewhere. I would be frantically working around the clock, doing anything I could so that the star franchise of the league’s history (No Don, it’s not those MLS Cup chokers from LA!) could stay in their home town. DC is the rock of the league and have some of the best fans in the league – certainly two of the very greatest supporters groups – and if they go, every single fanbase in MLS except for maybe the Cascadians will be questioning… will we be next?

I love this league, I’ve put 16 years of my life into following my team and the rest of the teams around them and it had jolly well better not come down to that.

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by UZ on Nov 2, 2011 2:53 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

well said my friend

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by ClingingMars on Nov 2, 2011 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here, here!!

It’s almost impossible for me to imagine MLS without DC United. I may root for another team now, but DCU is a vital part of the league’s history. Taking it away is like taking away a little bit of the league’s soul.

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by Dizzo on Nov 2, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks UZ

Means a lot to get support from fans of other teams at a time where there is a threat to your team’s existence.

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by ChestRockwell on Nov 2, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

United has always been one of my favorite teams to watch throughout the history of the league and has some of the coolest fans, so I’d be on their case for getting rid of DC even more than most other teams.

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by UZ on Nov 8, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

re: "if they go" ... " will we be next"

MLS has already shown it’s perfectly willing to pull this crap with SJ-to-Houston. The 2001-2007 Dynaquakes were the Yankees of MLS and MLS still moved them.

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by johnjahafanclub on Nov 2, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably won’t support the team, or more specifically won’t spend much money at their new home. Moreover, I’ll be slowly cutting the cord on anything DC related I’m involved with (read: Caps tickets). Considering the survey comes out on a day where the Mayor’s in Tampa looking at NFL training facilities as part of evaluating to bring the Redskins back into the City without (seemingly) even returning the Front Office’s calls, I might as well do the only thing I can really do, and this seems like the only option at this point.

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by Bald Pollack on Nov 2, 2011 7:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Not really an applicable situation, as they relocated as an entierly new franchise. That’s why the new Quakes have two stars on the kit and the dynamo don’t have four. I assume a Baltimore United would keep the old stats and history of DC with it. That also unfortunately means a new DC United would be pretty much impossible though.

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by UZ on Nov 2, 2011 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I will support this team

But let me clarify. I will surely attend fewer matches. And probably won’t purchase any merchandise (I’d much rather keep wearing my D.C. United shirts and scarves). And if the Baltimore team’s games aren’t carried by CSN-Washington (or any other network that I get in the DC area), my support would quickly fade.

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by Martin Shatzer on Nov 2, 2011 8:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Merchandising is a good point

I’ll still support the team – it’ll actually be easier for me to go to games but I’ll still be infuriated. I definitely would only wear DCU stuff though, not Baltimore United or whatever it’ll be called

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by sami426 on Nov 2, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Moco Native

If DCU relocates to baltimore there is no way I can invest the same level of enthusiasm and passion in to a Baltimore team as I do DCU. I grew up in Montgomery County MD, still live there, but Baltimore, MD is not a part of my upbringing or culture. I may attend a match in Baltimore for the novelty of it, but there is no way I can be a passionate fan. My interest would be tepid at best. I love soccer, and I love DC United because they are the pinnacle of soccer in my hometown. I feel as if DC united represents me, and my local culture in the soccer world. That connection would not exist for me with a baltimore team.

by DMV IX on Nov 2, 2011 9:34 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Culture

Great point.

I grew up in Anne Arundel County, closer to Baltimore than D.C. But I’ve identified more with D.C. my entire adult life. The culture of the two cities is definitely different, and so the atmosphere in the stadium and attitudes of the fans will be different as well.

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by Martin Shatzer on Nov 2, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm lucky -- in a way

I’ve lived and worked in both Baltimore and DC, so I can emotionally support a team in either town — and I have. I was rooting for the Bays long before MLS was a gleam in anyone’s eyes. Now I live in far Western Maryland and pose no real threat of attending matches in either town. I guess that makes me a neutral on where DCU plays. All I want is to see good futball on satellite TV. I watch every DCU match that reaches my TV, but I must admit that I am a far bigger and more knowledgeable fan of the Premiership than I am of MLS.

Fans who want DCU to remain somewhere in metro DC can only hope that the MLS survey is only a feint to spur the local politicos and maybe some potential investors into getting off the dime on a new stadium. From my perch, I see it as serious. I focuses on Westport, not some generic spot in the Baltimore area or even some location midway between both cities. Whichever, it seems clear that crunch time has arrived for the franchise.

by Runningcloud on Nov 2, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

since I live in Baltimore, this is great news for me. I full support Baltimore United!!! I would buy season tickets if this happens.

by geoff.rowland on Nov 2, 2011 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Absolutely not.

Morning, all. DCU fan since inception, and longtime lurker.

I have very fond memories of going to DCU games as a younger man. I used to go to Washington Warthogs games at USAir Arena with friends and when DC got United, it was like that experience on steroids. I could not have been happier or more excited about soccer. I still attend at least one game a year, and the more soccer-centric people in my family go to many more.

As a die-hard fan of all DC sports, my proudest memory of DCU is attending the MLS Cup in 1997 at RFK and watching our boys get the W in their hometown. It’s the only major DC sports championship event I’ve ever attended in my life, and it was an awesome experience.

This is mind, I will not support this team if it moves to Baltimore. At all. I am a fan of DC professional sports teams exclusively…that’s how I was raised and I’ve always been true to that. As other posters have mentioned, Baltimore has it’s own unique culture and persona which I don’t identify with at all. Beyond that, I still hold partial grudges against Angelos for preventing baseball to return to DC for so long, and against many former Redskin fans for jumping on the Ravens bandwagon due to their more recent success. Baltimore stealing DCU would only be the icing on the cake.

However, I would probably still continue to buy DCU merchandise (“retro” – not the new team’s), will always be proud of what they accomplished here and will always have the memories. But if the team moves to Baltimore I will NEVER go to a game in-person, will NEVER watch a game on TV and will probably quit watching MLS altogether. That team will be completely dead to me. In fact, I’d be more inclined to hate it than to give it a morsel of support.

So here’s to hoping DC can retain a great team. Vamos United!

by terpsDC on Nov 2, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Organize

DCU and MLS would clearly rather keep United in DC. They’re stymied by local politics.

Local politicians don’t care about anything that doesn’t have local support. They’re not going to go out on a limb in a weak economy for a few thousand hardcore DCU fans. Our history, passion, tradition, etc. means nothing to them.

Most people in the DC/MD/VA area don’t even know the team exists, and it’s way too easy to paint a stadium as wasted tax dollars instead of a community investment.

Rather than imagining what Kevin Payne or Don Garber should do to keep United in DC, shouldn’t we be reaching out to the community and bringing a message to the local politicians?

The “Keep United in DC” rally a few years ago was great, but too little/too long ago in political terms. It seems another rally is in order — preferably one that includes DC businesses, soccer moms and school kids — and a clear message to politicians that this could impact their career. A rally/petition that includes residents and business leaders from the Buzzard Point area saying “we want DCU here” could go a long way.

by rke on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree

As painful as a relocation would be, this ultimately makes the most sense. The district and its politicians have never supported DCU. As much passion as the die-hards have for the team, it doesn’t mean squat when the club is stymied by local government leaders who don’t see a need for soccer in the district and potential deep-pocket investors who don’t see much of a benefit over the risk. So in that end, if Baltimore wants to build a stadium for the club then let’s help the team pack.

On the other side of things however is what I see in KC these days. KC was a terrible place to put an MLS franchise. KC has no soccer roots and the only reason a team was put there was due to Lamar Hunt. MLS in St. Louis would have been the much better option b/c St. Louis has always been a hotbed for soccer. That being said, I have been amazed, and I know I’ve talked about this in other posts, at how much soccer has exploded in KC BECAUSE of the new stadium (and it’s not even in a great location). My heart still wants DC to have the team and I think it would be incredible if we got a stadium. The problem is that I don’t see DC ever giving one.

So Vamos BCU!

by DCUFaninMissouri on Nov 2, 2011 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep D.C. United

I remain intrigued and hopeful about the new “Keep D.C. United” group. But is it any more than just an online petition, fan-created website, and Twitter account?

Another rally could be a good idea. If this group can take the next step and organize something significant, I’ll be happy to help throw the weight of the B&RU community behind it.

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by Martin Shatzer on Nov 2, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the links

I didn’t know about this group, but now I guess I’m one of them. :)

by rke on Nov 2, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would still support the team

I’m not from DC, so I have no local ties like most of you. Growing up in NC, United was always my “local” team. As such, I’ve supported them since I found out there was such a team by reading the back of a cereal box in 1995 (true story). I did live in DC for two years, but was too stupid and immature to go to as many games as I should have. I will regret that till my dying day. Despite my occasional stupidity, I have always supported the team, and always will. United till I die!

I may not be tied to where United plays, but I seriously hope the team stays put. I know how tough it can be to lose a hometown team. Growing up in Charlotte as a big basketball fan, I remember how much it sucked when the Hornets left town. I was gutted, and didn’t watch the NBA for near 6 years. I grew up watching the Hornets. I owned a boat load of merchandise, and had been to see many a game in the Charlotte Coliseum, including playoff games I’ll never forget. And when not at the Coliseum, I would hardly miss a game on TV or radio. When a team that you put your heart and soul (not to mention your money) into leaves like that, it really feels like a divorce. I know that will be the experience of many fans in DC if United left town. It’d be a shame to do that to one of the best fan bases in all of MLS.

by madavis on Nov 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I would still support the team, but it would be fundamentally different & overall support would drop

Like Martin, I grew up in Anne Arundel, but I never felt very close to Baltimore until I was an adult. My parents are from Bladensburg, my dad worked in DC for most of my youth, I went to Maryland, and I have no family in Baltimore. For me, the path from the burbs to the city has always been 50 West, not the BW Parkway or 97 North.

That’s not to say I have a problem with Baltimore; I spend much more of my time there these days, as most of my friends live there. They’re both great cities, but Baltimore will always be runner-up to DC in my mind.

On whether I’d support the team: I’d still be there, and still be committed. However, my relationship with the team would change, because the team itself would be different. A team, no matter how much these things are driven by profits in modern times, is still at least partially defined by its fans and its location. A team in Baltimore will be a fundamentally different entity from DC United.

I would equate having to support Baltimore United to having a new relationship after having your heart broken the first time. It could be forever like a marriage, but that level of recklessly throwing yourself into supporting the team no matter what happens won’t be so easy. I don’t know if I could ever feel the highs and lows with the same intensity if the team moves. Maybe one day that wound would heal, but I can’t sit here and guarantee it.

DMV IX touched on the culture of the club, and that is the most crucial thing for me when it comes to this subject. The culture of Baltimore United (I would sincerely hope they have the good sense to rename the team, because it will be as different culturally as the Dynamo are from the Earthquakes) would be markedly different from the beautiful thing we have in the stands and in our history. That doesn’t automatically mean “worse;” it just means different. These are two very different cities, and that will come through in the culture of the team if it is moved.

A Baltimore team’s fanbase would be significantly less diverse, and it would almost certainly be smaller numbers-wise. No matter how much my Maryland shoulder-chip says I should despise Virginia, the fact is that 50-55% of United’s fans are from VA. Sure there are people in Baltimore that are not fans now that would become ardent supporters, but not nearly enough to replace the losses forced by geography alone. How many Virginia fans would still make it out? What about people living in the District? Or even MD residents inside the Beltway? My extremely rough math leaves the team potentially losing 60-70% of its fans. Take it from someone who is in Baltimore frequently and has a soccer fan Spidey-sense: Those numbers will not be fully replaced.

That fact is probably a huge factor in favor of keeping the team in the DC metro area. MLS and United will figure out fairly quickly that they will not be able to replicate the numbers they have in DC, while also noting that the DC metro area means wealthier fans and wealthier sponsors. Moving a team away from a city that for so long was the model in terms of passionate support would also be a black eye on a league that is image-conscious. This isn’t moving San Jose or shutting down Miami and Tampa; this would easily be the most significant move/fold in MLS history.

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by ChestRockwell on Nov 2, 2011 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Survey

Hopefully the results from that survey to Baltimore residents that MLS sent out will reflect those sentiments and numbers, putting the brakes on the idea altogether.

When you have recent examples like the Cascadians or better yet Philly, where the SOB’s worked their tails off to get a team, it seems completely bogus for Baltimore to get a team handed to them with no grassroots efforts.

by rke on Nov 2, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

More like very, very modest grassroots efforts

Lords of Baltimore on Twitter

Short piece on their efforts as of last year

I’m not saying there’s no support, I’m just saying it would be problematic. MLS doesn’t want to move to a city that can only average 13K out of the gate, and I wonder if they would be able to do much better. It would take the kind of top-notch marketing seen in Seattle (a city that drew less than 5K for the USL Sounders) and Philly – Portland has also upped attendance, but they were already at least halfway to their MLS attendances in the USL – to make the move a reasonable one.

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by ChestRockwell on Nov 2, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

This morning I visited the exact pages you just linked, and came to the exact same conclusion.

The Lords of Baltimore are no Sons of Ben. I haven’t seen any well of support from the north. Nothing consistent. The entire population of intelligent MLS fans is vocally against United moving, and no group seems willing to take the other side.

I want to be able to come up with a devil’s advocate counterpoint argument IN FAVOR of United moving to Baltimore, but I haven’t been able to justify it in good faith. The support just isn’t there. Or at least it isn’t evident.

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by Martin Shatzer on Nov 2, 2011 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

if they want a team then get it the old fashioned way

like the Sons of Ben did. don’t steal away another city’s club.

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Nov 2, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The more I think about this, the less sure I am

Honestly, I have no real idea how I’d react to a move to Baltimore. It’s just as likely that I’d be starting over from scratch in terms of supporting them, even if the entire organization and roster remains the same.

This whole topic makes me sick.

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by ChestRockwell on Nov 2, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

"This isn’t moving San Jose or shutting down Miami and Tampa; "

so you were OK with moving San Jose???

Win or lose, we'll always be there for you.

by johnjahafanclub on Nov 2, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Personally, I was disgusted when SJ moved to Houston

Honestly, there should be one more jersey out there sporting 4 stars. But MLS had ot go a screw it up! Damn stadium issues….

by madavis on Nov 2, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

What I’m saying is that you have a bigger, more passionate set of fans here than the Quakes did back then (or do now). MLS could swing moving Quakes 1.0 in part because the attendance wasn’t that great and wasn’t particularly loud or organized until after the move became more likely than not. The swell of San Jose fans coming out against the move was impressive, but also came after the ship had more or less sailed, unfortunately.

My point as it pertains to DC is that it will be harder for MLS to move a team with our fanbase as compared to the one previous relocation the league attempted.

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by ChestRockwell on Nov 2, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

What if the team moved to a city other than Baltimore?

What if United moved to, say, St Louis? Then would you still support the team? My guess is there would be quite a few more “no’s”.

I know I would have a much harder time supporting the team, even though I have no true local ties to DC. I didn’t grow up in the beltway area, but I still consider DC my second home, having visited the city many, many times growing up and having lived there for a short spell. Moving the team away from the beltway would make it a different scenario all together. I still very much identify with that part of the country (NC/VA/MD), even though I now live in the midwest.

by madavis on Nov 2, 2011 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd support Benny

As long as Olsen remains the coach, I’d probably support them from afar.

Otherwise, it would be pretty arbitrary which MLS team I’d support. Portland maybe, since they’re the anti-Seattle? KC, since they’re mostly harmless and I lived there until I was 5? Cosmos, since they’ll inevitably be the anti-Red Bulls and I grew up in NJ as a Cosmos fan?

Holy smokes, what if DCU is sold off to NY to become the Cosmos?! The greatest MLS team merging with the Greatest American Soccer Brand™?!!!

It would be like Spider Man becoming Venom! Skywalker becoming Vader!! Kirk and Spock becoming Evil Kirk and Evil Spock!!! Could there be a more powerful super-villain?

MLS, what are you up to?

#conspiracytheory

by rke on Nov 2, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this happened

I would give up on United. Actually, I’d give up on MLS altogether. I might give up on soccer altogether. I might up on SPORTS altogether.

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by Martin Shatzer on Nov 2, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody in the La Plata area...

If so, and you wouldn’t mind, please stop by the Shatzer residence and check to make sure Martin’s doing okay. I think rke may have just driven him to Sweeney Todd levels of depression, and I don’t want to take any chances.

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by The AMT on Nov 2, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really, really sorry.

Who are those guys outside with the black suits and glasses?

by rke on Nov 2, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I live down the road, I can make a stop if this happens.

by DonCaps819 on Nov 2, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey guys

Don stopped by. He made me watch this video. All is well again. Vamos United!

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by Martin Shatzer on Nov 2, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love that video

The part about pleading for a new stadium at the end though… Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2011 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm taking the survey now

I feel so dirty declaring my support of the Red Bulls in the past and future. On a related note, this survey is definitely not only being sent to Baltimore residents.

by Shane Wensel on Nov 2, 2011 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I find it odd that, living in Anne Arudel Co., I haven't gotten this survey

AA is usually lumped into the Baltimore metro region by everything that cares about divvying up counties between Baltimore and DC.

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by ChestRockwell on Nov 2, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

May we ask where you live?

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by Martin Shatzer on Nov 2, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

...been here before and it hurts...

I was in Miami when the Fusion folded before the 2002 season. If I get screwed again, I may try to catch a game or two, but my interest in MLS will probably dwindle to almost nothing. I discovered Arsenal in 2002, and I’ll probably just follow EPL more closely. To me, this would be a 2nd time MLS has screwed me…

by Eric David Ruenes on Nov 2, 2011 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

MLS isn't the first group to blame for the situation

MLS should be doing more to help (or, if they are doing things on our behalf, be more visible about their efforts), but they’re not really at the front of the blame line on this one. The various local governments around here are experts at botching things, and the front office has made numerous mistakes in terms of politics, lobbying, etc to boot.

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by ChestRockwell on Nov 2, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

true true

DC politics are DC politics after all…

by Eric David Ruenes on Nov 2, 2011 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doh! total back fire

In a valiant effort to fund a new stadium for DC united, I purchased a mega millions lottery ticket. Afterwards I noticed across the top of the ticket it says, “benefits MD stadium authority”. Doh!

by DMV IX on Nov 2, 2011 8:06 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

One more thing:

If you live in DC and want to keep the team here, please send e-mail to the mayor’s office and whoever you councilperson is. If you’re not sure how to contact them, you can go here to look it up by Ward.

by Eric David Ruenes on Nov 2, 2011 8:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Corrected link...

…sorry, the correct link to the city council folks is here

by Eric David Ruenes on Nov 2, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let DC United and DC govt know!

If you want United to stay in DC, buy season tickets if you can! Sign the on line petition. Call the Mayor and call the United offices. Kudos to DC United ticket office, btw. When the hurricane canceled a match, it was rescheduled to a school night. The ticket office was very gracious in quickly exchanging tickets so my son could attend a weekend match. They traded tickets ….no questions asked. We were able to make it to the last match this season and had great seats! Hopefully, it wasn’t the last United match in DC.

by ArlingtonLinesman on Nov 2, 2011 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Union Fan, but follower of United

Long time follower (from a distance) of United, before Philly got a team. I can’t imagine the league without a DC team, which is/was quickly becoming a great rivalry with the Union. I don’t see why Baltimore can’t just get a new team. Imagine the NY/Philly/Balti/DC games!

by brianveitz on Nov 3, 2011 1:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Uhh... Reality check

I don’t believe they’re actually looking at creating a “Baltimore United,” are they? This happens all the times in sports. The Dallas Cowboys don’t actually play in Dallas. The New York Red Bulls play in New Jersey. There’s countless other examples. Why can’t we move to Baltimore and just keep the same name?

by Suziebob on Nov 3, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

It's a sports culture thing...

Would most Baltimore residents identify with a club named after Washington DC? For their business model to be successful they almost have to re-brand the club (and that is what the survey question asks anyway).

by Karlito Vargas on Nov 3, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be like having the Cleveland Browns move to Detroit, but still wanting to be called the “Cleveland Browns”. Its a different sports area. (Does that make sense?)

by Zach J on Nov 3, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

When it comes to hypothetical discussions of moving a team to Baltimore

The Cleveland Browns probably aren’t the best example to use, at least for those of us that still desperately want United to remain in DC.

by Brendanukkah on Nov 3, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

In most cases where a team doesn’t play in the city it’s named for – you mention the Cowboys, but also the Washington Redskins and several MLS teams (the Fire, FC Dallas, the Galaxy) – the team still plays in the same metro area, so there’s an argument that they’re named for the area, if not the city itself. That wouldn’t be the case if United moved to Baltimore – they’re part of the same combined MSA, but they’re definitely different metropolitan areas, and it wouldn’t make sense from any perspective not to rebrand the team as “Baltimore” or “Maryland”.

That said, obviously I hope it never comes to that.

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by The AMT on Nov 3, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would “DMV United” properly reflect the culture of the DC/Maryland/Virginia region enough for United to stay “OUR” team?

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by Martin Shatzer on Nov 3, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it would

Although DMV stands for District-Maryland-Virginia, I think it’s really about the DC metro area. Baltimore is in Maryland, and so nominally covered by the DMV moniker, but I don’t think there are many who consider Charm City to be part of “the DMV” as it’s commonly used around here.

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by The AMT on Nov 4, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda relavent

The Chesapeake Bayhawks of the Major Lacrosse League moved from Baltimore to Washington to Annapolis.

They were the Baltimore Bayhawks, then the Washington Bayhawks, then finally the Chesapeake Bayhawks. “Chesapeake Bayhawks” is supposed to have the same effect as “DMV United” would have.

So maybe Chesapeake United might be on the way. MIGHT.

by Zach J on Nov 4, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baltimore is not a suburb of DC. It is its own city with its own culture and sports teams. Thats the difference.

by DonCaps819 on Nov 3, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As a DC United fan living in Baltimore I would love for the team to come here, I would actually buy season tickets. Let’s face it RFK is a dump and is costing the team money, and they haven’t been performing well in years. Something needs to be done to revamp this franchise. DC has shown time and again over the years that it does not support a stadium for this team, Baltimore is not so much as “stealing” the team as welcoming it with open arms. It might mean rebranding, but calling the team Baltimore United just sounds stupid to me, it has nothing to do with our city like the Raven’s or the Orioles do. Maybe when rebranding they should pay tribute more to the region and not just the city…the idea of Chesapeake United suggested above has a nice ring to it.

Either way, I can image an MLS game in Baltimore with a stadium built near M&T and Camden yards being a fun experience. There are bars and restaurants with in walking distance (or a quick cab ride away) int he neighborhoods directly surrounding our stadiums. The Harbor is a nice place to stroll as well. I never explored the area surrounded RFK because it didn’t look like there was anything to see (mostly residential). If they build near our existing stadiums your smack in the middle of downtown. Plus Baltimore is a big sports market with a TON of local leagues and clubs filled with soccer fans that would more than likely support this team. Again don’t think of us as stealing your team but wanting to see it continue to thrive, Hon!

by vidrart on Nov 21, 2011 3:04 PM EST reply actions  

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